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	<title>Comments on: Alan Liu&#8217;s draft policy statement on student use of Wikipedia in research</title>
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		<title>By: teaching carnival #11 - WorkBook</title>
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		<dc:creator>teaching carnival #11 - WorkBook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] both on that listserv (1, 2, 3) and at Kairosnews, one of Jonathan Goodwin&#8217;s class blogs, cac.ophony.org, and the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Teaching and other Carnivals &#171; Melete Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teaching and other Carnivals &#171; Melete Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Originally posted on the Humanist listserv, Alan Liu&#8217;s proposed policy for appropriate student use of Wikipedia generated significant online buzz, both on that listserv (1, 2, 3) and at Kairosnews, one of Jonathan Goodwin&#8217;s class blogs, cac.ophony.org, and the CHE&#8217;s Wired Campus Blog. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Originally posted on the Humanist listserv, Alan Liu&#8217;s proposed policy for appropriate student use of Wikipedia generated significant online buzz, both on that listserv (1, 2, 3) and at Kairosnews, one of Jonathan Goodwin&#8217;s class blogs, cac.ophony.org, and the CHE&#8217;s Wired Campus Blog. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Drogan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Drogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 12:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what purpose do universities make and transfer knowledge?

If we have a clear understanding of the desired outcome of this university meta-process, then we can have a better feel for the appropriate set of learning experiences (including tools such as wikis) this process needs to support.

I have argued elsewhere that higher education is about producing people who can survive, thrive, and make a difference in the world outside the university.  This, to me, is the desired outcome.

Where do our graduates go when they graduate?  How have they fared?  What could we have done to better prepare them for this journey?

I ask these questions in a historical sense.  They ought to also be asked in a forward looking manner.  I suspect that the way we prepared students in the past is not the way we should prepare students in the future.  This is perhaps particularly true when it comes to critical thinking and communications skills.

I don&#039;t wish to question the value of wikis, but I do wish to raise the question of how we decide where to put our efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what purpose do universities make and transfer knowledge?</p>
<p>If we have a clear understanding of the desired outcome of this university meta-process, then we can have a better feel for the appropriate set of learning experiences (including tools such as wikis) this process needs to support.</p>
<p>I have argued elsewhere that higher education is about producing people who can survive, thrive, and make a difference in the world outside the university.  This, to me, is the desired outcome.</p>
<p>Where do our graduates go when they graduate?  How have they fared?  What could we have done to better prepare them for this journey?</p>
<p>I ask these questions in a historical sense.  They ought to also be asked in a forward looking manner.  I suspect that the way we prepared students in the past is not the way we should prepare students in the future.  This is perhaps particularly true when it comes to critical thinking and communications skills.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t wish to question the value of wikis, but I do wish to raise the question of how we decide where to put our efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Gambs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Gambs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one am happy to see continued updates on Wikipedia here at Cac.ophony.  I think Wikipedia receives such attention, and is the site of so much heated debate, because it challenges how we (academics?) understand knowledge production, transfer, and transmission.  We can talk about whether its articles  &#039;count&#039; as authoritative knowledge, we can decide whether to &#039;allow&#039; students to cite its information in a research paper.  But really, its effects will be quite transformative I think.  In the conversation on the Chronicle&#039;s Wired Campus, one response alludes to this. The writer says,

&quot;What I haven’t talked with students about, though, is the fact that, on a different level, this tentative putting forward of views to be challenged is pretty much the same thing that happens with scholarly publication—except that with Wikipedia it happens faster and is open to a larger audience.&quot;  — T. Allen Culpepper 

He&#039;s right, Wikipedia is far faster than the system of scholarly publication--submit, review, revise, publish.  Not to mention, read, critique, write anew, and start the whole thing all over again.  This system is how knowledge gets made, which is what universities are about--making and transferring knowledge.   But digital  technologies are speeding up this process, and I think the quickened pace is threatening the current system.  Wikipedia works on feedback that is so fast.  Yesterday, when Kenneth Lay&#039;s death was announced, apparently in a period of several hours his Wikipedia entry changed rapidly as people posted information--from highly speculative and inaccurate to conservatively correct.  

Wikipedia challenges knowledge production the same way digital storage threatens hard copies, ie. printed books.  But even more, it puts us all on the same page, Ph.D or high school graduate.  This is just one more way that the world is flat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one am happy to see continued updates on Wikipedia here at Cac.ophony.  I think Wikipedia receives such attention, and is the site of so much heated debate, because it challenges how we (academics?) understand knowledge production, transfer, and transmission.  We can talk about whether its articles  &#8216;count&#8217; as authoritative knowledge, we can decide whether to &#8216;allow&#8217; students to cite its information in a research paper.  But really, its effects will be quite transformative I think.  In the conversation on the Chronicle&#8217;s Wired Campus, one response alludes to this. The writer says,</p>
<p>&#8220;What I haven’t talked with students about, though, is the fact that, on a different level, this tentative putting forward of views to be challenged is pretty much the same thing that happens with scholarly publication—except that with Wikipedia it happens faster and is open to a larger audience.&#8221;  — T. Allen Culpepper </p>
<p>He&#8217;s right, Wikipedia is far faster than the system of scholarly publication&#8211;submit, review, revise, publish.  Not to mention, read, critique, write anew, and start the whole thing all over again.  This system is how knowledge gets made, which is what universities are about&#8211;making and transferring knowledge.   But digital  technologies are speeding up this process, and I think the quickened pace is threatening the current system.  Wikipedia works on feedback that is so fast.  Yesterday, when Kenneth Lay&#8217;s death was announced, apparently in a period of several hours his Wikipedia entry changed rapidly as people posted information&#8211;from highly speculative and inaccurate to conservatively correct.  </p>
<p>Wikipedia challenges knowledge production the same way digital storage threatens hard copies, ie. printed books.  But even more, it puts us all on the same page, Ph.D or high school graduate.  This is just one more way that the world is flat.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joe,
Great point.  To only focus on what students need to do to use Wikipedia properly leaves out the possibilities it offers to see students&#039; roles in a new light.
Kate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,<br />
Great point.  To only focus on what students need to do to use Wikipedia properly leaves out the possibilities it offers to see students&#8217; roles in a new light.<br />
Kate</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ugoretz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Ugoretz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The statement is fine, as far as it goes, but it has a huge, glaring hole in it.  It sees students only as passive consumers, or audiences of wikipedia.  That&#039;s only one side of how it should be (needs to be) used.  A comprehensive statement on student use of wikipedia has to include students as *authors* of wikipedia, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statement is fine, as far as it goes, but it has a huge, glaring hole in it.  It sees students only as passive consumers, or audiences of wikipedia.  That&#8217;s only one side of how it should be (needs to be) used.  A comprehensive statement on student use of wikipedia has to include students as *authors* of wikipedia, too.</p>
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