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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://cac.ophony.org/2009/04/06/think-before-you-snark/comment-page-1/#comment-38054</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question, Michael, and perhaps I should have been clearer about this in my post.  

Uptime (a server rating that represents the percentage of time that your site is online) is one of the most important factors in determining the viability of a web platform, particularly a new (and vulnerable) one like Blogs@Baruch. Our uptime rating took a hit early in the semester when too much demand was put on our server... that problem was resolved when BCTC performed a memory upgrade in early February.     

Over a month later, the class decided to use Facebook for their communications, which was the prerogative of the faculty member. By then Blogs@Baruch had been up for about 50 days without interruption, and, in fact, the students had been using it quite effectively. Some of them convinced their faculty member that they would prefer Facebook, however, which was more integrated into their daily lives.  

Since the decision wasn&#039;t motivated by the server troubles, which had been resolved, the name implied a rationale behind the switch which wasn&#039;t valid. This was a public group on Facebook... any searches of Baruch or Baruch Blogs would yield this group page as a return.  I&#039;m certainly no entrepreneur or brand manager; but I do know enough that I don&#039;t want negative or, more precisely, &lt;em&gt;inaccurate&lt;/em&gt; representations out there about a project I&#039;ve built.  I welcome criticisms that will help us improve our service; snark doesn&#039;t do that.

And, finally... all of this was done after I spent time supporting the class, setting up feeds for the student blogs to filter into one space, and answering student questions through February. I didn&#039;t take the switch personally (because I still think that what I built was more pedagogically sound), but felt that the manner in which it happened and how it was named needed to be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question, Michael, and perhaps I should have been clearer about this in my post.  </p>
<p>Uptime (a server rating that represents the percentage of time that your site is online) is one of the most important factors in determining the viability of a web platform, particularly a new (and vulnerable) one like Blogs@Baruch. Our uptime rating took a hit early in the semester when too much demand was put on our server&#8230; that problem was resolved when BCTC performed a memory upgrade in early February.     </p>
<p>Over a month later, the class decided to use Facebook for their communications, which was the prerogative of the faculty member. By then Blogs@Baruch had been up for about 50 days without interruption, and, in fact, the students had been using it quite effectively. Some of them convinced their faculty member that they would prefer Facebook, however, which was more integrated into their daily lives.  </p>
<p>Since the decision wasn&#8217;t motivated by the server troubles, which had been resolved, the name implied a rationale behind the switch which wasn&#8217;t valid. This was a public group on Facebook&#8230; any searches of Baruch or Baruch Blogs would yield this group page as a return.  I&#8217;m certainly no entrepreneur or brand manager; but I do know enough that I don&#8217;t want negative or, more precisely, <em>inaccurate</em> representations out there about a project I&#8217;ve built.  I welcome criticisms that will help us improve our service; snark doesn&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>And, finally&#8230; all of this was done after I spent time supporting the class, setting up feeds for the student blogs to filter into one space, and answering student questions through February. I didn&#8217;t take the switch personally (because I still think that what I built was more pedagogically sound), but felt that the manner in which it happened and how it was named needed to be addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand how the name Baruch Blogs Down was much of a critique of Blogs@Baruch. Perhaps you could explain to me, Luke, in what way you found this nomenclature &quot;insulting.&quot; It seems to me a fairly practical title under the circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how the name Baruch Blogs Down was much of a critique of Blogs@Baruch. Perhaps you could explain to me, Luke, in what way you found this nomenclature &#8220;insulting.&#8221; It seems to me a fairly practical title under the circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Szidonia</title>
		<link>http://cac.ophony.org/2009/04/06/think-before-you-snark/comment-page-1/#comment-37973</link>
		<dc:creator>Szidonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, various media can facilitate learning, but I still cast my vote in favor of old-fashioned selectivity here: Facebook to me is not the &quot;proper&quot; space for pedagogical activity. Having my students submit course-work via Facebook would further encourage their idea of anything goes. How many times do I have to tell them not to use Wikipedia as a major source of information for a research paper simply because it is unreliable? No, Wikipedia is not enough for you to find out about Faulkner&#039;s Southern gothic, for example, because what you get is a diluted, easy-to-digest version of the real &quot;stuff&quot; and you cannot go on eating baby-food all your life. Facebook serves its purpose, but its purpose is not to promote deep thinking, precisely the skill I need my students to practice more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, various media can facilitate learning, but I still cast my vote in favor of old-fashioned selectivity here: Facebook to me is not the &#8220;proper&#8221; space for pedagogical activity. Having my students submit course-work via Facebook would further encourage their idea of anything goes. How many times do I have to tell them not to use Wikipedia as a major source of information for a research paper simply because it is unreliable? No, Wikipedia is not enough for you to find out about Faulkner&#8217;s Southern gothic, for example, because what you get is a diluted, easy-to-digest version of the real &#8220;stuff&#8221; and you cannot go on eating baby-food all your life. Facebook serves its purpose, but its purpose is not to promote deep thinking, precisely the skill I need my students to practice more.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://cac.ophony.org/2009/04/06/think-before-you-snark/comment-page-1/#comment-37971</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the awesome comment, Boone.  I didn&#039;t write this on the original post, out of some fear that the faculty member discussed might find it and be offended, but, I guess I&#039;ll write it here in response to the what you and Mikhail have offered.... I think it was as much a case (if not more) of the faculty member not wanting to &lt;em&gt;read&lt;/em&gt; as it was students not wanting to write.  

I agree with Boone&#039;s point that there&#039;s nothing at all that would preclude good teaching and learning from happening on FB. Good teaching and learning can happen independent of medium. But they require thought and reflection and planning; some media are more conducive to encouraging that approach than others. Doesn&#039;t mean that other media can&#039;t be made to work, and the faculty member may find that FB does all he needs.  My reaction in this incident evolved &lt;em&gt;at least&lt;/em&gt; as much from my feeling that too little consideration was given to the implications of choosing a particular medium in this process as from the sense that we got dissed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the awesome comment, Boone.  I didn&#8217;t write this on the original post, out of some fear that the faculty member discussed might find it and be offended, but, I guess I&#8217;ll write it here in response to the what you and Mikhail have offered&#8230;. I think it was as much a case (if not more) of the faculty member not wanting to <em>read</em> as it was students not wanting to write.  </p>
<p>I agree with Boone&#8217;s point that there&#8217;s nothing at all that would preclude good teaching and learning from happening on FB. Good teaching and learning can happen independent of medium. But they require thought and reflection and planning; some media are more conducive to encouraging that approach than others. Doesn&#8217;t mean that other media can&#8217;t be made to work, and the faculty member may find that FB does all he needs.  My reaction in this incident evolved <em>at least</em> as much from my feeling that too little consideration was given to the implications of choosing a particular medium in this process as from the sense that we got dissed.</p>
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		<title>By: Boone</title>
		<link>http://cac.ophony.org/2009/04/06/think-before-you-snark/comment-page-1/#comment-37970</link>
		<dc:creator>Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pedagogical issue here might be framed in terms of inertia: some students might not want to use WP because they&#039;re not used to it, and, likewise, some students might not want to engage in reflection because they&#039;re not used to it. Both kinds of inertia are undesirable: inertia against learning unfamiliar technologies is bad because our students will only succeed in their eventual careers if they are open to learning new platforms, and inertia against reflection is bad for more intellectual reasons. Faculty members have to choose their battles, though. There may be instances in which it makes sense to cave on WP vs Facebook in order to better serve the other goals of the class and fight other kinds of student inertia. I&#039;m not saying this is the correct course of action in this instance - prima facie, in a class devoted to Internet Marketing, I would say that it&#039;s not. But the possibility should be recognized that, in some cases, it might not be implementing what is, from the technologist&#039;s point of view, the &quot;ideal&quot; technological solution.

That said, I think it&#039;s interesting that Mikhail points out that moving to Facebook, in the case in question, meant not only giving up the fight for the better tech, but also the fight for reflection. If this observation is true, then indeed both battles were lost. Yet I want to cast doubt on the suggestion that moving to FB *necessitates* a movement away from reflection. While there might be structural reasons why FB is not well suited to academic reflection (off the top of my head, I might point to the fact that rhetoric of the Profile and the Status Update are inherently more focused on the non-intellectual aspects of the individual than the idea-space of a blog), my hunch is that the vapidity of FB content is, like so many other classroom problems, an inertial issue. In other words, FB content tends to be non-reflective because it&#039;s always been that way, not because it *has* to be that way. (I beat this horse to death in - plug! - a blog post from a while back: http://teleogistic.net/2008/12/does-facebook-promote-bad-rhetorical-skills/). 

In the end, for some of the reasons that Luke mentions in the OP - especially the intellectual property issues - I feel uneasy about Facebook as an academic space. (And, for those same reasons, very good about WPMu and Blogs@Baruch!) But I remain open to the possibility that FB could have some role in some classrooms, if properly conceived by the students and faculty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pedagogical issue here might be framed in terms of inertia: some students might not want to use WP because they&#8217;re not used to it, and, likewise, some students might not want to engage in reflection because they&#8217;re not used to it. Both kinds of inertia are undesirable: inertia against learning unfamiliar technologies is bad because our students will only succeed in their eventual careers if they are open to learning new platforms, and inertia against reflection is bad for more intellectual reasons. Faculty members have to choose their battles, though. There may be instances in which it makes sense to cave on WP vs Facebook in order to better serve the other goals of the class and fight other kinds of student inertia. I&#8217;m not saying this is the correct course of action in this instance &#8211; prima facie, in a class devoted to Internet Marketing, I would say that it&#8217;s not. But the possibility should be recognized that, in some cases, it might not be implementing what is, from the technologist&#8217;s point of view, the &#8220;ideal&#8221; technological solution.</p>
<p>That said, I think it&#8217;s interesting that Mikhail points out that moving to Facebook, in the case in question, meant not only giving up the fight for the better tech, but also the fight for reflection. If this observation is true, then indeed both battles were lost. Yet I want to cast doubt on the suggestion that moving to FB *necessitates* a movement away from reflection. While there might be structural reasons why FB is not well suited to academic reflection (off the top of my head, I might point to the fact that rhetoric of the Profile and the Status Update are inherently more focused on the non-intellectual aspects of the individual than the idea-space of a blog), my hunch is that the vapidity of FB content is, like so many other classroom problems, an inertial issue. In other words, FB content tends to be non-reflective because it&#8217;s always been that way, not because it *has* to be that way. (I beat this horse to death in &#8211; plug! &#8211; a blog post from a while back: <a href="http://teleogistic.net/2008/12/does-facebook-promote-bad-rhetorical-skills/" rel="nofollow">http://teleogistic.net/2008/12/does-facebook-promote-bad-rhetorical-skills/</a>). </p>
<p>In the end, for some of the reasons that Luke mentions in the OP &#8211; especially the intellectual property issues &#8211; I feel uneasy about Facebook as an academic space. (And, for those same reasons, very good about WPMu and Blogs@Baruch!) But I remain open to the possibility that FB could have some role in some classrooms, if properly conceived by the students and faculty.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikhail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikhail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the issue here, I think, is that the students resisted having to write on the blog. The FB group seems to relieve them of needing to reflect substantively on their work in the course. It&#039;s much more a means of communication than reflection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the issue here, I think, is that the students resisted having to write on the blog. The FB group seems to relieve them of needing to reflect substantively on their work in the course. It&#8217;s much more a means of communication than reflection.</p>
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		<title>By: Hillary</title>
		<link>http://cac.ophony.org/2009/04/06/think-before-you-snark/comment-page-1/#comment-37968</link>
		<dc:creator>Hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!-- I always try to log out! Maybe I don&#039;t always succeed. 

But this is the real Hillary, standing up. And I second Zohra/Hillary: Nicely said, Luke. And I do agree that part of what this incident reveals seems to be indicative of a lack of patience towards any/all technological &quot;tools&quot; thanks to past (negative) experiences. As you said, if you approach Blogs@Baruch the same was as you do the broken VC escalators, it won&#039;t be a working relationship but full-on combat. As another example, the Wordpress forums are famously friendly and helpful; if you&#039;re a new Wordpress user who assumes that seeking help will be as infuriating as a call to your cell phone company, you&#039;re missing out.

Logging off/out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!&#8211; I always try to log out! Maybe I don&#8217;t always succeed. </p>
<p>But this is the real Hillary, standing up. And I second Zohra/Hillary: Nicely said, Luke. And I do agree that part of what this incident reveals seems to be indicative of a lack of patience towards any/all technological &#8220;tools&#8221; thanks to past (negative) experiences. As you said, if you approach Blogs@Baruch the same was as you do the broken VC escalators, it won&#8217;t be a working relationship but full-on combat. As another example, the WordPress forums are famously friendly and helpful; if you&#8217;re a new WordPress user who assumes that seeking help will be as infuriating as a call to your cell phone company, you&#8217;re missing out.</p>
<p>Logging off/out.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://cac.ophony.org/2009/04/06/think-before-you-snark/comment-page-1/#comment-37958</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(snark)Someone needs to give Hillary a logging out tutorial.(/snark)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(snark)Someone needs to give Hillary a logging out tutorial.(/snark)</p>
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		<title>By: Hillary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh that comment was made by Zohra not Hillary. But I don&#039;t know how to fix it thanks to my technical backwardness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh that comment was made by Zohra not Hillary. But I don&#8217;t know how to fix it thanks to my technical backwardness!</p>
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		<title>By: Hillary</title>
		<link>http://cac.ophony.org/2009/04/06/think-before-you-snark/comment-page-1/#comment-37956</link>
		<dc:creator>Hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 23:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely said.  Facebook is not a very sophisticated answer to short-term technical problems at Blogs@Baruch.  Please, I say this to my students as well, please cut the Facebook umbilical cord!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely said.  Facebook is not a very sophisticated answer to short-term technical problems at Blogs@Baruch.  Please, I say this to my students as well, please cut the Facebook umbilical cord!</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of working with student assignments via facebook seem very odd to me. I can&#039;t imagine wanting to open up my network that way.  Also, it presumes that everyone has a facebook account, which isn&#039;t actually the case.

PS: glad you didn&#039;t let them get away with sullying our good name...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of working with student assignments via facebook seem very odd to me. I can&#8217;t imagine wanting to open up my network that way.  Also, it presumes that everyone has a facebook account, which isn&#8217;t actually the case.</p>
<p>PS: glad you didn&#8217;t let them get away with sullying our good name&#8230;</p>
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