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		<title>By: Academic Commons News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Midsummer Night&#8217;s Commons Update - building CUNY Communities since 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Academic Commons News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Midsummer Night&#8217;s Commons Update - building CUNY Communities since 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] written about the conference. Many of those posts, especially those by Jim Groom, Luke Waltzer, Mikhail Gershovich, and Joe Ugoretz, remarked upon the ways in which the Academic Commons could serve as a virtual hub [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] written about the conference. Many of those posts, especially those by Jim Groom, Luke Waltzer, Mikhail Gershovich, and Joe Ugoretz, remarked upon the ways in which the Academic Commons could serve as a virtual hub [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mountebank &#187; What is that these tools do do?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mountebank &#187; What is that these tools do do?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] which is now (how time flies!) weeks past.  Others, notably two of my co-hosts, Luke Waltzer and Mikhail Gershovich, have already posted some terrific thoughts on the event and its implications.  My other co-host, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] which is now (how time flies!) weeks past.  Others, notably two of my co-hosts, Luke Waltzer and Mikhail Gershovich, have already posted some terrific thoughts on the event and its implications.  My other co-host, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Prestidigitation &#187; What is that these tools do do?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prestidigitation &#187; What is that these tools do do?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] which is now (how time flies!) weeks past.  Others, notably two of my co-hosts, Luke Waltzer and Mikhail Gershovich, have already posted some terrific thoughts on the event and its implications.  My other co-host, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] which is now (how time flies!) weeks past.  Others, notably two of my co-hosts, Luke Waltzer and Mikhail Gershovich, have already posted some terrific thoughts on the event and its implications.  My other co-host, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Purely Reactive &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Looking for a CMS (complexity management system) - (as opposed to predictive)</title>
		<link>http://cac.ophony.org/2009/06/05/blackboard-this-song-is-not-about-you-more-on-cuny-wordcamped/comment-page-1/#comment-38516</link>
		<dc:creator>Purely Reactive &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Looking for a CMS (complexity management system) - (as opposed to predictive)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me think they do, but the big things were The 6th Annual Blended Learning Workshop in Chicago and WordCampEd in CUNY just a couple weeks ago. (For the latter, I&#8217;m linking to a recent blog post which is also an [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me think they do, but the big things were The 6th Annual Blended Learning Workshop in Chicago and WordCampEd in CUNY just a couple weeks ago. (For the latter, I&#8217;m linking to a recent blog post which is also an [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CUNY WordCampEd &#187; CUNY WordCampEd 2009</title>
		<link>http://cac.ophony.org/2009/06/05/blackboard-this-song-is-not-about-you-more-on-cuny-wordcamped/comment-page-1/#comment-38510</link>
		<dc:creator>CUNY WordCampEd &#187; CUNY WordCampEd 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gershovich, &#8220;Blackboard, This Song is Not About You: More on CUNY WordCampEd&#8221;, cac.ophony  What’s especially striking about the Chronicle piece is that it presents CUNY [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gershovich, &#8220;Blackboard, This Song is Not About You: More on CUNY WordCampEd&#8221;, cac.ophony  What’s especially striking about the Chronicle piece is that it presents CUNY [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Chronic Mock at bavatuesdays</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Chronic Mock at bavatuesdays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 10:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] conference that came out last week, I highly recommend you check out Mikhail Gershovich&#8217;s &#8220;BlackBoard, This Song is Not About You: More on CUNY WordCampEd,&#8221; which provides an inspired and crucial corrective to the Chronicle article. Colleges Consider Using [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] conference that came out last week, I highly recommend you check out Mikhail Gershovich&#8217;s &#8220;BlackBoard, This Song is Not About You: More on CUNY WordCampEd,&#8221; which provides an inspired and crucial corrective to the Chronicle article. Colleges Consider Using [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Twitted by mkgold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitted by mkgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was Twitted by mkgold - Real-url.org [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tremendous post, Mikhail.  Thanks so much for recapping (and, as Jim says, reframing) the essence of the day.  &quot;[CUNYWordCampEd] was about CUNY&quot; is a beautiful summation of everything that was right about that day and everything that was missing from the CHE.

Between this post, Luke&#039;s post, and Jim&#039;s post, we&#039;ve once again seen blogs definitively outperform the mainstream media outlets.  BRAVO!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tremendous post, Mikhail.  Thanks so much for recapping (and, as Jim says, reframing) the essence of the day.  &#8220;[CUNYWordCampEd] was about CUNY&#8221; is a beautiful summation of everything that was right about that day and everything that was missing from the CHE.</p>
<p>Between this post, Luke&#8217;s post, and Jim&#8217;s post, we&#8217;ve once again seen blogs definitively outperform the mainstream media outlets.  BRAVO!!</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ben... I didn&#039;t even know there was a discussion forum tied to that article.  I also thought it was Jane Wells, not Joe, who used that &quot;BlackBoard killer&quot; line, though I could be mistaken about that.  

I do know that Jeff didn&#039;t follow up with anyone between the event and the time the article was published, which seems like many missed opportunities for a reporter to clarify and expand on some of the ideas circulated that day.  But it was clear that Jeff wanted to write a BlackBoard v. Blogs/David v. Goliath article from the time I spoke with him three days before the event.  Still, he was there all day and spoke with lots of folks who tried to contextualize our work differently, as I had, so I held out hope that the article might pay more attention to the arguments about teaching and learning that we made.  It didn&#039;t. Nor did it even &lt;strong&gt;name&lt;/strong&gt; the freaking event, which you&#039;d think might be of some interest to readers of the Chronicle.

At least the interview with the Right Rev was unmediated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ben&#8230; I didn&#8217;t even know there was a discussion forum tied to that article.  I also thought it was Jane Wells, not Joe, who used that &#8220;BlackBoard killer&#8221; line, though I could be mistaken about that.  </p>
<p>I do know that Jeff didn&#8217;t follow up with anyone between the event and the time the article was published, which seems like many missed opportunities for a reporter to clarify and expand on some of the ideas circulated that day.  But it was clear that Jeff wanted to write a BlackBoard v. Blogs/David v. Goliath article from the time I spoke with him three days before the event.  Still, he was there all day and spoke with lots of folks who tried to contextualize our work differently, as I had, so I held out hope that the article might pay more attention to the arguments about teaching and learning that we made.  It didn&#8217;t. Nor did it even <strong>name</strong> the freaking event, which you&#8217;d think might be of some interest to readers of the Chronicle.</p>
<p>At least the interview with the Right Rev was unmediated.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this, Mikhail - 

I hadn&#039;t read the CHE article until I saw your post (via twitter, as it turns out). Having done so now, I do agree that there&#039;s a strangely Blackboard-oriented focus to Young&#039;s reporting, including what strikes me as fairly selective quoting (he doesn&#039;t note, for example, the jokey tone of nearly all of those &quot;blackboard-killer&quot; lines - iirc, Joe Ugaretz literally followed the one Young quotes with &quot;just kidding&quot;), and the strange final word given to Blackboard in the article:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I think the model for the CMS is outdated given the new Web, and I think that&#039;s one of the problems,&quot; [Jim Groom] said. &quot;It can serve certain functions well, but it&#039;s hard for proprietary CMS&#039;s, whatever they are, to keep up with the how the Web is changing.&quot;

Blackboard is trying to keep up.

Michael L. Chasen, the company&#039;s chief executive, has told The Chronicle that the latest version of the software integrates some Web 2.0 tools and still offers plenty of features that blogging packages can&#039;t match, like online gradebooks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even if we leave aside the time lag between releases that a closed-source platform like Bb takes (a lag measured in years, which hardly addresses Jim&#039;s complaint); even if we leave aside the strangeness (audacity?) of suggesting that the blogging and wiki tools within Bb are &quot;web 2.0&quot; when they don&#039;t generate or draw on rss feeds, pingbacks, or tags (no crowd or cloud knowledge-generating), and when only the admin gets to keep a copy after the course ends (self-authorship is limited and must be authorized); even leaving these things aside, Young and Chasen miss the real point that you, Mikhail, hit on the head: we&#039;re not trying to change the way education is &quot;delivered&quot;; we&#039;re trying to change education.

If you really want to get some steam flowing out of your ears, check out the &lt;a href=&quot;http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,60826.0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discussion forum in response to the article&lt;/a&gt;. The prevailing view in there is that what&#039;s most important in a CMS that it facilitate timed, multiple-choice testing and distribution of all-rights-reserved reading materials. Talk about missing the point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Mikhail &#8211; </p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t read the CHE article until I saw your post (via twitter, as it turns out). Having done so now, I do agree that there&#8217;s a strangely Blackboard-oriented focus to Young&#8217;s reporting, including what strikes me as fairly selective quoting (he doesn&#8217;t note, for example, the jokey tone of nearly all of those &#8220;blackboard-killer&#8221; lines &#8211; iirc, Joe Ugaretz literally followed the one Young quotes with &#8220;just kidding&#8221;), and the strange final word given to Blackboard in the article:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;I think the model for the CMS is outdated given the new Web, and I think that&#8217;s one of the problems,&#8221; [Jim Groom] said. &#8220;It can serve certain functions well, but it&#8217;s hard for proprietary CMS&#8217;s, whatever they are, to keep up with the how the Web is changing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Blackboard is trying to keep up.</p>
<p>Michael L. Chasen, the company&#8217;s chief executive, has told The Chronicle that the latest version of the software integrates some Web 2.0 tools and still offers plenty of features that blogging packages can&#8217;t match, like online gradebooks.</p></blockquote>
<p>Even if we leave aside the time lag between releases that a closed-source platform like Bb takes (a lag measured in years, which hardly addresses Jim&#8217;s complaint); even if we leave aside the strangeness (audacity?) of suggesting that the blogging and wiki tools within Bb are &#8220;web 2.0&#8243; when they don&#8217;t generate or draw on rss feeds, pingbacks, or tags (no crowd or cloud knowledge-generating), and when only the admin gets to keep a copy after the course ends (self-authorship is limited and must be authorized); even leaving these things aside, Young and Chasen miss the real point that you, Mikhail, hit on the head: we&#8217;re not trying to change the way education is &#8220;delivered&#8221;; we&#8217;re trying to change education.</p>
<p>If you really want to get some steam flowing out of your ears, check out the <a href="http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php/topic,60826.0.html" rel="nofollow">discussion forum in response to the article</a>. The prevailing view in there is that what&#8217;s most important in a CMS that it facilitate timed, multiple-choice testing and distribution of all-rights-reserved reading materials. Talk about missing the point!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;CUNY WordCampEd was not about blogs. It was not about Blackboard. It was about CUNY. This may not be of interest to the vast majority of the Chronicle’s readership, but it matters to me and to all of us who learned so much from the presentations and the conversations at CUNY WordCampEd.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To quote Harry Dean in Escape from NY, &quot;Exactly, precisely.&quot;  This was a much needed re-framing of Young&#039;s article, CUNY WordCampEd was all about the CUNY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>CUNY WordCampEd was not about blogs. It was not about Blackboard. It was about CUNY. This may not be of interest to the vast majority of the Chronicle’s readership, but it matters to me and to all of us who learned so much from the presentations and the conversations at CUNY WordCampEd.</p></blockquote>
<p>To quote Harry Dean in Escape from NY, &#8220;Exactly, precisely.&#8221;  This was a much needed re-framing of Young&#8217;s article, CUNY WordCampEd was all about the CUNY!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Levine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well summarized Mikhail. And people wonder why &quot;journalism&quot; is joining scribes as a quaint profession.  Look how surficial the &quot;news&quot; is as written by a &quot;professional&quot; who I bet was not even there; compared to your &quot;amateur&quot; account as a blogger.

You have done well to fully describe the experience as opposed to the Chronicle&#039;s pandering to sensationalize and trivialize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well summarized Mikhail. And people wonder why &#8220;journalism&#8221; is joining scribes as a quaint profession.  Look how surficial the &#8220;news&#8221; is as written by a &#8220;professional&#8221; who I bet was not even there; compared to your &#8220;amateur&#8221; account as a blogger.</p>
<p>You have done well to fully describe the experience as opposed to the Chronicle&#8217;s pandering to sensationalize and trivialize.</p>
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		<title>By: Twitted by baruchblogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitted by baruchblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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