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		<title>Comment on How to Tell A Story by Diane B., EOC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane B., EOC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Peter O'Toole is a great storyteller!  He uses his words, his voice and his energy to bring his story to life.I often remind students that communicating with confidence means using all the tools at their command -- mind, body, spirit -- to attract and hold a listener -- pitching your voice, pausing and gesturing for emphasis, alternating speed, using facial expressions, pronouncing words correctly (especially endings).There's a wonderful scene in the movie OUT OF AFRICA where Meryl Streep's character is telling a story to two entranced listeners who are not only hanging onto what she is saying but also how she is telling her story.  After all, arent' we all storytellers?  We tell others every day about who we are what we want out of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Peter O&#8217;Toole is a great storyteller!  He uses his words, his voice and his energy to bring his story to life.I often remind students that communicating with confidence means using all the tools at their command &#8212; mind, body, spirit &#8212; to attract and hold a listener &#8212; pitching your voice, pausing and gesturing for emphasis, alternating speed, using facial expressions, pronouncing words correctly (especially endings).There&#8217;s a wonderful scene in the movie OUT OF AFRICA where Meryl Streep&#8217;s character is telling a story to two entranced listeners who are not only hanging onto what she is saying but also how she is telling her story.  After all, arent&#8217; we all storytellers?  We tell others every day about who we are what we want out of life.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A very long sentence by Mikhail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikhail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this beauty from Marcel Proust?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cities of the Plain &lt;br /&gt; (Sodom et Gomorrhe) &lt;br /&gt; [Vol. 4 of Remembrance of Things Past (À la Recherche du temps perdu)] &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; "Their honour precarious, their liberty provisional, lasting only until the discovery of their crime; their position unstable, like that of the poet who one day was feasted at every table, applauded in every theatre in London, and on the next was driven from every lodging, unable to find a pillow upon which to lay his head, turning the mill like Samson and saying like him: "The two sexes shall die, each in a place apart!"; excluded even, save on the days of general disaster when the majority rally round the victim as the Jews rallied round Dreyfus, from the sympathy--at times from the society--of their fellows, in whom they inspire only disgust at seeing themselves as they are, portrayed in a mirror which, ceasing to flatter them, accentuates every blemish that they have refused to observe in themselves, and makes them understand that what they have been calling their love (a thing to which, playing upon the word, they have by association annexed all that poetry, painting, music, chivalry, asceticism have contrived to add to love) springs not from an ideal of beauty which they have chosen but from an incurable malady; like the Jews again (save some who will associate only with others of their race and have always on their lips ritual words and consecrated pleasantries), shunning one another, seeking out those who are most directly their opposite, who do not desire their company, pardoning their rebuffs, moved to ecstasy by their condescension; but also brought into the company of their own kind by the ostracism that strikes them, the opprobrium under which they have fallen, having finally been invested, by a persecution similar to that of Israel, with the physical and moral characteristics of a race, sometimes beautiful, often hideous, finding (in spite of all the mockery with which he who, more closely blended with, better assimilated to the opposing race, is relatively, in appearance, the least inverted, heaps upon him who has remained more so) a relief in frequenting the society of their kind, and even some corroboration of their own life, so much so that, while steadfastly denying that they are a race (the name of which is the vilest of insults), those who succeed in concealing the fact that they belong to it they readily unmask, with a view less to injuring them, though they have no scruple about that, than to excusing themselves; and, going in search (as a doctor seeks cases of appendicitis) of cases of inversion in history, taking pleasure in recalling that Socrates was one of themselves, as the Israelites claim that Jesus was one of them, without reflecting that there were no abnormals when homosexuality was the norm, no anti-Christians before Christ, that the disgrace alone makes the crime because it has allowed to survive only those who remained obdurate to every warning, to every example, to every punishment, by virtue of an innate disposition so peculiar that it is more repugnant to other men (even though it may be accompanied by exalted moral qualities) than certain other vices which exclude those qualities, such as theft, cruelty, breach of faith, vices better understood and so more readily excused by the generality of men; forming a freemasonry far more extensive, more powerful and less suspected than that of the Lodges, for it rests upon an identity of tastes, needs, habits, dangers, apprenticeship, knowledge, traffic, glossary, and one in which the members themselves, who intend not to know one another, recognise one another immediately by natural or conventional, involuntary or deliberate signs which indicate one of his congeners to the beggar in the street, in the great nobleman whose carriage door he is shutting, to the father in the suitor for his daughter's hand, to him who has sought healing, absolution, defence, in the doctor, the priest, the barrister to whom he has had recourse; all of them obliged to protect their own secret but having their part in a secret shared with the others, which the rest of humanity does not suspect and which means that to them the most wildly improbable tales of adventure seem true, for in this romantic, anachronistic life the ambassador is a bosom friend of the felon, the prince, with a certain independence of action with which his aristocratic breeding has furnished him, and which the trembling little cit would lack, on leaving the duchess's party goes off to confer in private with the hooligan; a reprobate part of the human whole, but an important part, suspected where it does not exist, flaunting itself, insolent and unpunished, where its existence is never guessed; numbering its adherents everywhere, among the people, in the army, in the church, in the prison, on the throne; living, in short, at least to a great extent, in a playful and perilous intimacy with the men of the other race, provoking them, playing with them by speaking of its vice as of something alien to it; a game that is rendered easy by the blindness or duplicity of the others, a game that may be kept up for years until the day of the scandal, on which these lion-tamers are devoured; until then, obliged to make a secret of their lives, to turn away their eyes from the things on which they would naturally fasten them, to fasten them upon those from which they would naturally turn away, to change the gender of many of the words in their vocabulary, a social constraint, slight in comparison with the inward constraint which their vice, or what is improperly so called, imposes upon them with regard not so much now to others as to themselves, and in such a way that to themselves it does not appear a vice."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this beauty from Marcel Proust?</p>
<p>Cities of the Plain <br /> (Sodom et Gomorrhe) <br /> [Vol. 4 of Remembrance of Things Past (À la Recherche du temps perdu)] </p>
<p> &#8220;Their honour precarious, their liberty provisional, lasting only until the discovery of their crime; their position unstable, like that of the poet who one day was feasted at every table, applauded in every theatre in London, and on the next was driven from every lodging, unable to find a pillow upon which to lay his head, turning the mill like Samson and saying like him: &#8220;The two sexes shall die, each in a place apart!&#8221;; excluded even, save on the days of general disaster when the majority rally round the victim as the Jews rallied round Dreyfus, from the sympathy&#8211;at times from the society&#8211;of their fellows, in whom they inspire only disgust at seeing themselves as they are, portrayed in a mirror which, ceasing to flatter them, accentuates every blemish that they have refused to observe in themselves, and makes them understand that what they have been calling their love (a thing to which, playing upon the word, they have by association annexed all that poetry, painting, music, chivalry, asceticism have contrived to add to love) springs not from an ideal of beauty which they have chosen but from an incurable malady; like the Jews again (save some who will associate only with others of their race and have always on their lips ritual words and consecrated pleasantries), shunning one another, seeking out those who are most directly their opposite, who do not desire their company, pardoning their rebuffs, moved to ecstasy by their condescension; but also brought into the company of their own kind by the ostracism that strikes them, the opprobrium under which they have fallen, having finally been invested, by a persecution similar to that of Israel, with the physical and moral characteristics of a race, sometimes beautiful, often hideous, finding (in spite of all the mockery with which he who, more closely blended with, better assimilated to the opposing race, is relatively, in appearance, the least inverted, heaps upon him who has remained more so) a relief in frequenting the society of their kind, and even some corroboration of their own life, so much so that, while steadfastly denying that they are a race (the name of which is the vilest of insults), those who succeed in concealing the fact that they belong to it they readily unmask, with a view less to injuring them, though they have no scruple about that, than to excusing themselves; and, going in search (as a doctor seeks cases of appendicitis) of cases of inversion in history, taking pleasure in recalling that Socrates was one of themselves, as the Israelites claim that Jesus was one of them, without reflecting that there were no abnormals when homosexuality was the norm, no anti-Christians before Christ, that the disgrace alone makes the crime because it has allowed to survive only those who remained obdurate to every warning, to every example, to every punishment, by virtue of an innate disposition so peculiar that it is more repugnant to other men (even though it may be accompanied by exalted moral qualities) than certain other vices which exclude those qualities, such as theft, cruelty, breach of faith, vices better understood and so more readily excused by the generality of men; forming a freemasonry far more extensive, more powerful and less suspected than that of the Lodges, for it rests upon an identity of tastes, needs, habits, dangers, apprenticeship, knowledge, traffic, glossary, and one in which the members themselves, who intend not to know one another, recognise one another immediately by natural or conventional, involuntary or deliberate signs which indicate one of his congeners to the beggar in the street, in the great nobleman whose carriage door he is shutting, to the father in the suitor for his daughter&#8217;s hand, to him who has sought healing, absolution, defence, in the doctor, the priest, the barrister to whom he has had recourse; all of them obliged to protect their own secret but having their part in a secret shared with the others, which the rest of humanity does not suspect and which means that to them the most wildly improbable tales of adventure seem true, for in this romantic, anachronistic life the ambassador is a bosom friend of the felon, the prince, with a certain independence of action with which his aristocratic breeding has furnished him, and which the trembling little cit would lack, on leaving the duchess&#8217;s party goes off to confer in private with the hooligan; a reprobate part of the human whole, but an important part, suspected where it does not exist, flaunting itself, insolent and unpunished, where its existence is never guessed; numbering its adherents everywhere, among the people, in the army, in the church, in the prison, on the throne; living, in short, at least to a great extent, in a playful and perilous intimacy with the men of the other race, provoking them, playing with them by speaking of its vice as of something alien to it; a game that is rendered easy by the blindness or duplicity of the others, a game that may be kept up for years until the day of the scandal, on which these lion-tamers are devoured; until then, obliged to make a secret of their lives, to turn away their eyes from the things on which they would naturally fasten them, to fasten them upon those from which they would naturally turn away, to change the gender of many of the words in their vocabulary, a social constraint, slight in comparison with the inward constraint which their vice, or what is improperly so called, imposes upon them with regard not so much now to others as to themselves, and in such a way that to themselves it does not appear a vice.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Navigating the Messages at the Ballpark by Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, guys.  Jim, that's an interesting reference to perhaps the most talented rapper of our time, who expends great energy saying practically nothing of consequence (and, I would add, is instrumental in trying to bring his basketball team to a behemoth development in the neighborhood whose transformation you &lt;a href="http://bavatuesdays.com/frank-sobotka-on-edupunk/#comment-74553" rel="nofollow"&gt;bemoaned&lt;/a&gt; in our other conversation).  The parallel with HOVA is interesting because baseball is being played at such a high level now that it's a crying shame that all the bullshit around the game distracts attention from what's happening on the field.       

Yankee hater that I am, I'm glad I got to go to see a few games there, but really don't see what's so great about that stadium as it currently stands.  Sure, its history gives it an aura similar to what I wrote about Tiger Stadium above, even surpassing it, but that aura is tough to see through the haze of captivity.  The Yankees, frankly, are Microsoft, and are now being run by a cretin who had the temerity to suggest that the National League was destroying the game by not adopting the DH.

I recently went to see the Newark Bears, of the Independent League, play a Friday night game at their nice little ballpark.  An interesting experience; looking at the rosters, most of the guys in this league are veritable &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_Graham" title="Graham" rel="nofollow"&gt;Moonlight Grahams&lt;/a&gt;,  having had a cup of coffee in the big leagues, and, for some reason, not stuck.  The game was played at a high level, and the stadium was about half-full.  Between each half-inning, a guy went into the crowd with a mic to quiz fans with Jersey trivia, led potato-sack races on the field and other novelty games, and hurled repeated insults at the Governor.  It was annoying -- though no where near as bad as what we see in the majors -- and reflective of the point Ryan is making above that it's just nearly impossible for baseball front offices to let fans sit in peace and take in the beauty of the park.  

I'll note here, also... the Tigers are climbing up the AL Central.

And, here's more on the death of Tiger Stadium from my favorite &lt;a href="http://www.sweet-juniper.com/2008/06/her-mother-reads-in-paper-that-they-are.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;blogfather&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, guys.  Jim, that&#8217;s an interesting reference to perhaps the most talented rapper of our time, who expends great energy saying practically nothing of consequence (and, I would add, is instrumental in trying to bring his basketball team to a behemoth development in the neighborhood whose transformation you <a href="http://bavatuesdays.com/frank-sobotka-on-edupunk/#comment-74553" rel="nofollow">bemoaned</a> in our other conversation).  The parallel with HOVA is interesting because baseball is being played at such a high level now that it&#8217;s a crying shame that all the bullshit around the game distracts attention from what&#8217;s happening on the field.       </p>
<p>Yankee hater that I am, I&#8217;m glad I got to go to see a few games there, but really don&#8217;t see what&#8217;s so great about that stadium as it currently stands.  Sure, its history gives it an aura similar to what I wrote about Tiger Stadium above, even surpassing it, but that aura is tough to see through the haze of captivity.  The Yankees, frankly, are Microsoft, and are now being run by a cretin who had the temerity to suggest that the National League was destroying the game by not adopting the DH.</p>
<p>I recently went to see the Newark Bears, of the Independent League, play a Friday night game at their nice little ballpark.  An interesting experience; looking at the rosters, most of the guys in this league are veritable <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_Graham" title="Graham" rel="nofollow">Moonlight Grahams</a>,  having had a cup of coffee in the big leagues, and, for some reason, not stuck.  The game was played at a high level, and the stadium was about half-full.  Between each half-inning, a guy went into the crowd with a mic to quiz fans with Jersey trivia, led potato-sack races on the field and other novelty games, and hurled repeated insults at the Governor.  It was annoying &#8212; though no where near as bad as what we see in the majors &#8212; and reflective of the point Ryan is making above that it&#8217;s just nearly impossible for baseball front offices to let fans sit in peace and take in the beauty of the park.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll note here, also&#8230; the Tigers are climbing up the AL Central.</p>
<p>And, here&#8217;s more on the death of Tiger Stadium from my favorite <a href="http://www.sweet-juniper.com/2008/06/her-mother-reads-in-paper-that-they-are.html" rel="nofollow">blogfather</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Navigating the Messages at the Ballpark by Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is a beauty of a post.  And I really like the way you frame the ballpark experience as one of media literacy.  I can't help but agree with both Matt and Ryan, sports have always exploited advertising to the nth degree but there does seem to be a subtle difference of kind (maybe subtle is the wrong word here ;) ). The idea of space and the new ballparks being built recently is a fascinating one to me. The stadium in Detroit resembles in many ways Camden Yard, Turner Field and Safeco Park, just to name a couple of the newer parks.  There seems to be a design at stake that in many ways changes how we watch the game, which Ryan suggest takes the moments when there is downtime and trains you to look elsewhere.

I wonder what the new Yankee stadium will be like, because while so much of what you talk about was always in evidence at the greatest stadium in the world, I would be interested in seeing how the design of the new park changes the dynamic of seeing and reading the game.  

Oddly enough, I discovered this post right after watching the first two episodes of Season 3 of  The Wire, the first one shows Camden Yard and Jimmy's wife with a lawyer dude with expensive seats behind home plate --how does class work into this new ballpark with all the special seating arrangements and corporate boxes?  While watching it I really wanted to go to a game, but as I read this I tend to agree that sometimes watching it on the TV is far less annoying.  The public spaces have become truly assaulting, and the idea of a ballgame that doesn't cost one a couple of hundred dollars for a family, no less the endless intake of corporate messages, is, indeed, depressing. The public has surrendered any sense of dignity in its shared public experiences, so much so that we even go through those moments alone (echoing Ryan's point here). We can't help but sell everything, and the idea of design, advertising real estate, and the decline of all that is holy in America's favorite pastime is yet another foreboding sign that we, to quote Jay-Z's Lucifer, "gotta get our soul right!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is a beauty of a post.  And I really like the way you frame the ballpark experience as one of media literacy.  I can&#8217;t help but agree with both Matt and Ryan, sports have always exploited advertising to the nth degree but there does seem to be a subtle difference of kind (maybe subtle is the wrong word here <img src='http://cac.ophony.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ). The idea of space and the new ballparks being built recently is a fascinating one to me. The stadium in Detroit resembles in many ways Camden Yard, Turner Field and Safeco Park, just to name a couple of the newer parks.  There seems to be a design at stake that in many ways changes how we watch the game, which Ryan suggest takes the moments when there is downtime and trains you to look elsewhere.</p>
<p>I wonder what the new Yankee stadium will be like, because while so much of what you talk about was always in evidence at the greatest stadium in the world, I would be interested in seeing how the design of the new park changes the dynamic of seeing and reading the game.  </p>
<p>Oddly enough, I discovered this post right after watching the first two episodes of Season 3 of  The Wire, the first one shows Camden Yard and Jimmy&#8217;s wife with a lawyer dude with expensive seats behind home plate &#8211;how does class work into this new ballpark with all the special seating arrangements and corporate boxes?  While watching it I really wanted to go to a game, but as I read this I tend to agree that sometimes watching it on the TV is far less annoying.  The public spaces have become truly assaulting, and the idea of a ballgame that doesn&#8217;t cost one a couple of hundred dollars for a family, no less the endless intake of corporate messages, is, indeed, depressing. The public has surrendered any sense of dignity in its shared public experiences, so much so that we even go through those moments alone (echoing Ryan&#8217;s point here). We can&#8217;t help but sell everything, and the idea of design, advertising real estate, and the decline of all that is holy in America&#8217;s favorite pastime is yet another foreboding sign that we, to quote Jay-Z&#8217;s Lucifer, &#8220;gotta get our soul right!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Navigating the Messages at the Ballpark by Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, there was never any totally ad-free purity in the past; the fences in every old ball park I've ever seen were certainly plastered with ads. There were always sponsors logos here and there. That said, what's happening today does in fact amount to something that is different in kind, not only in style or degree. We probably face less copmmercial interruption when watch on TV for goodness sakes. Succinctly put, today we are screamed at. We are bludgeoned and bullied and assaulted.The advertising nightmare I endure in ballparks makes me feel suckered because it turns out I just &lt;em&gt;paid&lt;/em&gt; (a lot) to be advertised to. The excess also cheats the game and insults the intelligence of spectators. There is stuff going on while the batter isn't swinging, and it is part of baseball too. By revving up the disgustingly loud and intrusive ad-track between each pitch, we're getting the following message: "Dear fans, we assume your childlike attention spans can't manage a few seconds or minutes of time on your own, so we'll try to do our best to give you something (inane and exploitative) to look at while you wait." Finally, take note of this next time you're at a ballpark; it's something that really makes me sad: whenever the action stops, look around -- what you will see are thousands of eyes turning as if trained to the images and sounds selling something. What isn't happening at this point? Oh, just  little things like talking to your children, your wife, your friends. I know it's an old story about how we're all alone together in post-modernity, but that doesn't make it any less depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, there was never any totally ad-free purity in the past; the fences in every old ball park I&#8217;ve ever seen were certainly plastered with ads. There were always sponsors logos here and there. That said, what&#8217;s happening today does in fact amount to something that is different in kind, not only in style or degree. We probably face less copmmercial interruption when watch on TV for goodness sakes. Succinctly put, today we are screamed at. We are bludgeoned and bullied and assaulted.The advertising nightmare I endure in ballparks makes me feel suckered because it turns out I just <em>paid</em> (a lot) to be advertised to. The excess also cheats the game and insults the intelligence of spectators. There is stuff going on while the batter isn&#8217;t swinging, and it is part of baseball too. By revving up the disgustingly loud and intrusive ad-track between each pitch, we&#8217;re getting the following message: &#8220;Dear fans, we assume your childlike attention spans can&#8217;t manage a few seconds or minutes of time on your own, so we&#8217;ll try to do our best to give you something (inane and exploitative) to look at while you wait.&#8221; Finally, take note of this next time you&#8217;re at a ballpark; it&#8217;s something that really makes me sad: whenever the action stops, look around &#8212; what you will see are thousands of eyes turning as if trained to the images and sounds selling something. What isn&#8217;t happening at this point? Oh, just  little things like talking to your children, your wife, your friends. I know it&#8217;s an old story about how we&#8217;re all alone together in post-modernity, but that doesn&#8217;t make it any less depressing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Navigating the Messages at the Ballpark by Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Luke.  I can imagine a great English 101 writing assignment coming out of this kind of thing -- ask students to go to an event (sports, music, theater) and decode and analyze the marketing messages they receive along with the ostensible "content" of the show.  

Although you're careful in this post to acknowledge that, in the old Tiger Stadium, "there were hawkers and ads and plenty of consumption," I think it's worthwhile to point out that the ties between baseball and advertising run so deep that they might well be inseparable.  Here are a few links to check out:

AMNH:  "&lt;a href="http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/baseball/enterprise/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Enterprise and Opportunity&lt;/a&gt;" 
BERA:  "&lt;a href="http://www.loc.gov/rr/business/BERA/issue3/baseball.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Business of Basball&lt;/a&gt;"
ESPN: "&lt;a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1795742" rel="nofollow"&gt;The tangled Web of Sports and Advertising&lt;/a&gt;"

Now, I'm not arguing with your contention that recent changes in technology (and new stadiums) have intensified the advertising "pitch" at the ballpark.  But I would say that the purity of which you speak was only made possible by an earlier form of information filtering that was much stronger than you remember it to be.

Anyone else hungry for a Reggie bar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Luke.  I can imagine a great English 101 writing assignment coming out of this kind of thing &#8212; ask students to go to an event (sports, music, theater) and decode and analyze the marketing messages they receive along with the ostensible &#8220;content&#8221; of the show.  </p>
<p>Although you&#8217;re careful in this post to acknowledge that, in the old Tiger Stadium, &#8220;there were hawkers and ads and plenty of consumption,&#8221; I think it&#8217;s worthwhile to point out that the ties between baseball and advertising run so deep that they might well be inseparable.  Here are a few links to check out:</p>
<p>AMNH:  &#8220;<a href="http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/baseball/enterprise/index.html" rel="nofollow">Enterprise and Opportunity</a>&#8221;<br />
BERA:  &#8220;<a href="http://www.loc.gov/rr/business/BERA/issue3/baseball.html" rel="nofollow">The Business of Basball</a>&#8221;<br />
ESPN: &#8220;<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?id=1795742" rel="nofollow">The tangled Web of Sports and Advertising</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not arguing with your contention that recent changes in technology (and new stadiums) have intensified the advertising &#8220;pitch&#8221; at the ballpark.  But I would say that the purity of which you speak was only made possible by an earlier form of information filtering that was much stronger than you remember it to be.</p>
<p>Anyone else hungry for a Reggie bar?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eurocentrism alert!  The World Cup is in South Africa in 2010... the European Championships are happening now, and the Dutch are looking fantastic.  &lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eurocentrism alert!  The World Cup is in South Africa in 2010&#8230; the European Championships are happening now, and the Dutch are looking fantastic.  </p>
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		<title>Comment on On Edupunk by Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Aggie.  I agree with most of this, and my idea was to signal that even though I'm not a fan of punk, I still find use in it as a metaphor.  Perhaps, though, there's a relationship between that choice and my love of affirmative music and cultural styles.  I'd have to disagree that the politics of funk and soul are less evident-- let's pause here to say this is a discussion about the politics of musical genres, not an argument about pedagogy.

Curtis Mayfield, Sly Stone, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Stevie Wonder-- each of their musics had a particular political center, ranging from social criticism to collectivism to black nationalism to even, at times, hedonism, and they each produced both welcoming and politically-challenging, moment-transcendent music.  And, frankly, I think the world would be a lot better if everyone were pleasant to one another; so why isn't that a viable political stance?

Now, anyone who is looking solely to music for their politics is, in my view, casting the net too narrowly, but soundtracks are important and motivational and can help give (some) shape to a movement.   Whatever gets you going, and gets other folks on-board, far's I'm concerned.  Punk, funk, or polka.  

On that note, here's a link to Darando's &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jl1YR_J_gM" title="Darando" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Let My People Go."&lt;/a&gt; Great line:  “Man build a rocket ship, take it to the moon; million dollar mission, just to bring back a piece of rock.  We got starvation, panic over the land, and here’s a fool in a rocketship, trying to be Superman”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Aggie.  I agree with most of this, and my idea was to signal that even though I&#8217;m not a fan of punk, I still find use in it as a metaphor.  Perhaps, though, there&#8217;s a relationship between that choice and my love of affirmative music and cultural styles.  I&#8217;d have to disagree that the politics of funk and soul are less evident&#8211; let&#8217;s pause here to say this is a discussion about the politics of musical genres, not an argument about pedagogy.</p>
<p>Curtis Mayfield, Sly Stone, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Stevie Wonder&#8211; each of their musics had a particular political center, ranging from social criticism to collectivism to black nationalism to even, at times, hedonism, and they each produced both welcoming and politically-challenging, moment-transcendent music.  And, frankly, I think the world would be a lot better if everyone were pleasant to one another; so why isn&#8217;t that a viable political stance?</p>
<p>Now, anyone who is looking solely to music for their politics is, in my view, casting the net too narrowly, but soundtracks are important and motivational and can help give (some) shape to a movement.   Whatever gets you going, and gets other folks on-board, far&#8217;s I&#8217;m concerned.  Punk, funk, or polka.  </p>
<p>On that note, here&#8217;s a link to Darando&#8217;s <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jl1YR_J_gM" title="Darando" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Let My People Go.&#8221;</a> Great line:  “Man build a rocket ship, take it to the moon; million dollar mission, just to bring back a piece of rock.  We got starvation, panic over the land, and here’s a fool in a rocketship, trying to be Superman”.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On Edupunk by Agnieszka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agnieszka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such an interesting post.


Initially I wanted to write about how I disagree with your take on punk. How I think punk philosophy as applied to education, beyond DIY, can be more transformative because it is harder to tamethan, lets' say "funk/soul type of approach to ethics/politics/culture.How it may very well be that punk connotes chaos and rejectionist ethos, but that very refusal often leads to critical and purposeful creation, a meaningful transformation.  Punk seems to me much more politically useful: more challenging, serious, ready for confrontation. Less pleasant?  Sure. Pleasantness should not be criteria for a political stance, or a movement, or a philosophy (even if that’s philosophy of teaching we are talking about)...  


I could say that since punk was more explicitly a political movement it is hard to compare it to funk.  There is certainly a political aspect to soul/funk as an expression of hope and pain from an oppressed community, but the music itself is not focused on political message nearly as much as punk, so they have very different relationships to political interpretation.But none of these movements are monolithic. It drastically changes the definition of what punk means if you are using Sex Pistols, Fugazi, or Green Day as the example of punk. Using punk in the “edu punk” label might  turn some people off but that’s the drawback with any cultural reference. I don’t think people will immediately think of Sid Vicious teaching first graders.

But then I thought, what is the use of debating labels… What’s behind them is what matters. Labels stick or don’t, whether or not they fit. Maybe labels are not so important since, in music at least, it seems many artists hate them, but can do nothing about them. Gram Parsons hated the term "Country Rock" and Tricky/Portishead/Massive attack hated being identified as the Bristol sound. Here is an interesting article about a similar critique of a label using the term 'punk' : the idea to replace Cyperpunk with &lt;a href="http://www.streettech.com/bcp/BCPtext/Manifestos/Ribofunk.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ribofunk &lt;/a&gt;in the late 90's.All in all, if edupunk label  sticks and it becomes associated with radical, DIY educational movement with a heavy dose of creativity (even if that is a very simplistic understanding of EP) , that’s be good, no?


BTW, you know what would be even better? EduPolka or EduBluegrass☺</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such an interesting post.</p>
<p>Initially I wanted to write about how I disagree with your take on punk. How I think punk philosophy as applied to education, beyond DIY, can be more transformative because it is harder to tamethan, lets&#8217; say &#8220;funk/soul type of approach to ethics/politics/culture.How it may very well be that punk connotes chaos and rejectionist ethos, but that very refusal often leads to critical and purposeful creation, a meaningful transformation.  Punk seems to me much more politically useful: more challenging, serious, ready for confrontation. Less pleasant?  Sure. Pleasantness should not be criteria for a political stance, or a movement, or a philosophy (even if that’s philosophy of teaching we are talking about)&#8230;  </p>
<p>I could say that since punk was more explicitly a political movement it is hard to compare it to funk.  There is certainly a political aspect to soul/funk as an expression of hope and pain from an oppressed community, but the music itself is not focused on political message nearly as much as punk, so they have very different relationships to political interpretation.But none of these movements are monolithic. It drastically changes the definition of what punk means if you are using Sex Pistols, Fugazi, or Green Day as the example of punk. Using punk in the “edu punk” label might  turn some people off but that’s the drawback with any cultural reference. I don’t think people will immediately think of Sid Vicious teaching first graders.</p>
<p>But then I thought, what is the use of debating labels… What’s behind them is what matters. Labels stick or don’t, whether or not they fit. Maybe labels are not so important since, in music at least, it seems many artists hate them, but can do nothing about them. Gram Parsons hated the term &#8220;Country Rock&#8221; and Tricky/Portishead/Massive attack hated being identified as the Bristol sound. Here is an interesting article about a similar critique of a label using the term &#8216;punk&#8217; : the idea to replace Cyperpunk with <a href="http://www.streettech.com/bcp/BCPtext/Manifestos/Ribofunk.html" rel="nofollow">Ribofunk </a>in the late 90&#8217;s.All in all, if edupunk label  sticks and it becomes associated with radical, DIY educational movement with a heavy dose of creativity (even if that is a very simplistic understanding of EP) , that’s be good, no?</p>
<p>BTW, you know what would be even better? EduPolka or EduBluegrass☺</p>
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		<title>Comment on Linked Pursuits: Writing and Golf by Agnieszka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agnieszka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 01:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy caramba, how can we even think about golf when the FIFA World Cup is going on. The World Cup people! That's football. That’s right, football, not soccer. I said it!  Poland is playing Croatia on the 16th. It is very hard to be writing while your team is on:)  But how about this writing analogy: unlike in  solitary golf, it is the team that matters here. Success in writing depends on the “team “ as well.  Think of it  that way: peer review, multiple edits by many people, many hours spend with a helpful communication fellow. And in a longer view: good writers are made by the “team” assembled through your life: the teachers which cared about your writing, the authors you love, whose books are like family members, writing mentors, etc.Ultimately though, one thing that matters the most is being able to yell: “Gooooaaaaaaaallllll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy caramba, how can we even think about golf when the FIFA World Cup is going on. The World Cup people! That&#8217;s football. That’s right, football, not soccer. I said it!  Poland is playing Croatia on the 16th. It is very hard to be writing while your team is on:)  But how about this writing analogy: unlike in  solitary golf, it is the team that matters here. Success in writing depends on the “team “ as well.  Think of it  that way: peer review, multiple edits by many people, many hours spend with a helpful communication fellow. And in a longer view: good writers are made by the “team” assembled through your life: the teachers which cared about your writing, the authors you love, whose books are like family members, writing mentors, etc.Ultimately though, one thing that matters the most is being able to yell: “Gooooaaaaaaaallllll</p>
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